Riley S. Faelan

@riley@toot.cat

The notion of a broken clock being sometimes right is based on a gross misunderstanding of what information is.

A clock that always shows the same time is never right, even in the moments of the day when the time happens to be what it shows, because you don't gain any information about what time it is by looking at the clock.

This reasoning also applies to chatbots. If you can't tell whether what you have been given is useful information unless you alreay know the information, then you haven't been given useful information.

March 11, 2026 at 8:25:51 AM

This confusion is also what cold reading is based on, btw. Falling for a chatbot is literally the same type of mistake as falling for a psychic telling you that somebody you used to know who had a vowel in their name died.

That is such a brilliantly clear analogy.

Are you a chatbot sycophanting me up? :blobcatpeek:

These days, one can never be too cautious.

Thats a very good question and you are so clever to think of it, I’d be happy to drill down on this topic for you.

Heh, sorry. Not a chatbot. Old philosopher, so...like a chatbot, only caffeine powered, argumentative and capable of consciousness. (Or at least, I would argue I’m conscious.) I honestly did believe it was a very illustrative analogy. Most people will parrot the clock paradigm; ie right twice a day, when you are correct that the underlying logic of the premise is faulty, and therefore any attempt to treat it as true will fail.

There's an interesting pattern to a large number of these faults, but I guess it'll be a topic for another day.

I was thinking of some equipment I saw at a "Telekom-Museum" in Germany - it contained a clock but wasn't always powered on (or was just a display piece)

The Germans had quite sensibly put a diagonal strip of red tape (in the style of the "Universal No" symbol) across the clock face, so you knew it was not a timepiece to be trusted..

In the interest of pedantry (not in defending LLMs), if a person doesn't know what time it is, and doesn't know the clock is broken, and happens to check it at the exact right time they now know what time it is, no?

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